New Strada owner - hello & a switchgear question

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AK99
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New Strada owner - hello & a switchgear question

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Gentlemen / ladies hello.

Just joined the forum / posted a little bit of an introduction over on the other sub-forum.

Working through recommissioning a '78 model 3 1/2 strada currently. Took it for a short test run at the weekend, which went really well until all of the electrics disappeared. Worked through the issue, and got as far as identifying the original 6-pole ignition switch as a prime suspect.

Removed and dismantled the switch, taking notes and a couple of photos as I went. Unfortunately I didn't take enough of either :(

I have cleaned and test assembled all of the bits that are left.
If I could describe what I have currently - there are three main components:

(i) the main metal switch casing and barrel assembly
(ii) the plastic backing plate which has the spade connectors on one side, and metal contact plates for them on the other
(iii) an intermediary plastic plate which sits between theses two. This attaches to the key barrel which has three spring loaded metal sliders which press against the metal contacts on the rear plate, and rotates with the ignition key, making and breaking the contacts across the rear backing plate as the key is turned.

The problem I have is with the two sets of springs in the assembly.

- The smaller three I know for sure fit underneath the little white plastic pusher buttons which press the metal contacts on the rotating intermediary disc to help keep the the metal sliding contacts firmly pressed against the fixed metal contacts on the rear plastic backing plate. No problem there

- The other slightly larger three I have no idea where they go. I thought it was perhaps into the three larger holes in the studs on the back of the intermediary plastic plate to take up any slack in the assembly and/or provide some form of 'indexing' with the springs dropping in and out of the grooves on the inside front of the switch body as you rotate the key, to give you a positive click in each of the three key positions - but they seem too short for that now. They drop all the way into those holes, and won't do anything from there.

Would post pics on here if I could but haven't quite figured how to yet.

Was wondering if anybody could point me towards an exploded parts diagram of the switch assembly, or perhaps would know where the additional 3 springs go from memory ?

Apologies for looking for help after getting into such a dumb situation entirely of my own making - but any help or steer would be much appreciated.

Thx, Alan
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3potjohn
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Re: New Strada owner - hello & a switchgear question

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Hello and welcome to Morini ownership.
A quick fix
https://www.mdinaitalia.co.uk/ignition- ... -pole.html

I should have a damaged 6 pole switch I think which I will check out tomorrow and let you know if the internals reveal anything.
John
AK99
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Re: New Strada owner - hello & a switchgear question

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Thanks John - appreciated.

I have one of those Mdina ignition barrels in my online shopping cart - but held off ordering in case the original switch proved to be ok. Would have been annoyed at myself if I laid out the money for one plus postage/ import charges to here, and then discovered the switch wasn't the problem :)

Anything you can glean from the old switch would definitely be very welcome though.
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All my parts of old switch- fell on floor again upon prising off the bevelled collar. 0/10
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If you turn the wavy plate so the pin aligns with a hole on the case it can be extracted. Pulling off this plate allows a pair of ballbearings to fall out. I caught them.
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AK99
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Re: New Strada owner - hello & a switchgear question

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Ah thanks John - appreciate that.

Mine is a slightly different construction - but really useful info nonetheless. There's no wavy plate in mine, looks like the 'indexing' perhaps relies instead on ball bearings (or something else) being pressed in and out of the grooves in the metal casing of the switch body itself - which all makes sense now.

The design on mine looks like there should be three little spring loaded ball bearings or 'locators' for want of a better word that slide on and out of the index grooves for the three key positions. I have the three springs, but never spotted any ball-bearings whatsoever. Either I missed them (not at all unlikely) or whoever was in there last left some or all of them out.

I think procuring a new switch is probably the order of the day - as well as bypassing the switch / going in and doing some more testing on the wiring to check if anything else needs replaced before I start ordering bits again.

Thanks a million - genuinely.
Alan
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Re: New Strada owner - hello & a switchgear question

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Welcome to the club! I think you're on the right idea about three ball bearings missing. I'm sure there were ball bearings in there to locate the positions. I haven't messed with this switch much, as those I had needing attention were so worn and flakey I decided to replace them with a pattern from a Japanese bike.
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Aye Steve, now that I know far more about 5-6 pole ignition switches than I ever wanted to - I might even be tempted to forget about the parking light circuit and just fit a generic 4 pole Chinese or Japanese pattern one :)

At this stage the originality's gone whichever way I go, so can start to play a little looser with the spec. I'd love to find the missing ball bearings, but even if they were there to start with, the chances of them turning up safe and sound on the bench or floor of my garage are on the slim to nil side methinks.
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You may be happy to know that Morini world is not yet overrun with originality freaks or rivet counters. The majority of Morini fanciers prefer their bikes to work well, as the designer intended. Nobody points their fingers at my Honda Camino ignition switches on 2 of my bikes. Most won't even spot the heinous crime. Luckily the 'investor' market has largely overlooked us as well. :wink:
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Is the Camino switch (barring the wiring) a straight drop in to the original switch mounting plates on the Morinis Steve ?
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Steve Brown wrote: 21 Oct 2025 22:33 You may be happy to know that Morini world is not yet overrun with originality freaks or rivet counters. The majority of Morini fanciers prefer their bikes to work well, as the designer intended. Nobody points their fingers at my Honda Camino ignition switches on 2 of my bikes. Most won't even spot the heinous crime. Luckily the 'investor' market has largely overlooked us as well. :wink:
Totally agree! 8)
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AK99 wrote: 22 Oct 2025 09:51 Is the Camino switch (barring the wiring) a straight drop in to the original switch mounting plates on the Morinis Steve ?
Yes, it fits straight in. The wiring as you guessed is slightly different and doesn't allow for a parking light connection. It is more like the older 5 pole switches which had pos.1 all off= green ignition earthed, power to lights and accessories off. pos 2= ignition on and accessories live. pos 3= ignition, accessories and light circuits on.
It may cause a bit of head scratching to get things as you like them but certainly do-able and economical too.
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George 350
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Whereabouts are you? I bought a Camino switch for my Strada but managed to save the original switch.
Hence, if you want it, you can have it.
I'm in Northampton.
Regards
George
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Used on the CEV Road & Camel 500 6 contact ignition switch (both 12V & 6V DC circuits)
Probably tha same on later Road 350s?

OFF (centre) - 3 & 4 connected
PILOT (anticlockwise) - 3 & 4, 1 & 6 connected
ON (clockwise) - 1 & 2, 5 & 6 connected

Wire colours to switch spade contacts are - 1 RED, 2 BROWN, 3 GREEN, 4 BLUE, 5 YELLOW/BLACK. 6 YELLOW

RED ---------------- Battery +ve
BROWN ------------ Oil pressure switch/light (If fitted), Brake light, Horn, Indicators
Green -------------- Transducers
BLUE---------------- Earth -ve
YELLOW/BLACK - Pilot & Tail lights
YELLOW ----------- Left handlebar lighting switch

Note - The above switch connections are also distributed further at the fuse box
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George 350 wrote: 22 Oct 2025 19:03 Whereabouts are you? I bought a Camino switch for my Strada but managed to save the original switch.
Hence, if you want it, you can have it.
I'm in Northampton.
Regards
George
Hey George - very decent of you. I'm in Ireland unfortunately, so it'd probably be not hugely more expensive for me to pick up one locally or off eBay. Really appreciate the offer though - thank you.
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