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leighton · Post by **leighton** » 11 Mar 2009 17:07

Any reason why the long bolt will not come out? It turns round easy with spanner, but only moves out about 3mm with a hard bash! then comes to solid stop.

Steve Brown · Post by **Steve Brown** » 11 Mar 2009 22:21

I would guess it has rusted to the spacer tube. I didn't know they even had one till I looked at the parts list! My 350 has a wobbly stand so will be facing the same job soon....hope it comes out easily. Otherwise may have to resort to drilling/cutting, which would be easy with a bare frame of course, but I don't want to strip it down just yet-too many other 'projects' spread around as it is

Steve

leighton · Post by **leighton** » 12 Mar 2009 07:20

Thanks for that, seems like the cause, was trying to preserve the bolt just incase future owner may have wanted to reinstall, plus its as you say not easy to get hacksaw to.

EVguru · Post by **EVguru** » 12 Mar 2009 09:38

There was an article about the stand pivot in ATG a while back and it was almost completely wrong.

The stand bolt goes through one side of the stand and screws into the other, where it is held by a locknut. There is a cross tube in the frame. Into that cross tube goes another 'spacer' tube.

The ATG article would have you believe that the spacer tube pivots in the frame. This would be REALLY stupid because it would wear out the frame!

The stand bolt is replaceable.

The spacer tube is replaceable.

These MUST therefore be the wear components. One rotating inside the other!

It's common for the bolt to seize in the spacer tube and THEN it rotates in the frame. Sometimes the stand has been overtightened in the first place so it grips the spacer tube.

Quite often the thread in the stand will strip when you try to get the bolt out. The only option is to destroy the bolt. There's not a lot of room to get a blade between the stand and the frame. You can get very thin (about hacksaw blade width) blades for an angle grinder, but I think the best way would be to drill down the centre of the bolt at each end. You may well end up damaging the stand, but that can easily be welded up and re-drilled.

leighton · Post by **leighton** » 12 Mar 2009 17:36

Thankyou, that is well described, i bashed it a bit more, but would not move, so jacked it up on bike lift( very handy thing ebay Â£75 with p&p)and took hacksaw blade to the bolt, wasn't to bad, nice to get rid of stand, nearly have fairing in final position, clipons look great.

Derek Wright · Post by **Derek Wright** » 12 Mar 2009 22:43

Hope you don't regret removing your centre stand.
Have just spent this evening removing the centre stand from my spare Camel frame to see if it will fit my Kanguro. Have only recently obtained the frame, the previous owner had left it outside for 15 years I think he said. Anyway a bit of heat with a blow lamp and an a pulling and unscrewing action soon got it moving. The most difficult part was removing the springs.
Using a bike without a centre stand is fine until you get a puncture, even routine servicing is difficult with just a sidestand.
This was what brought home to me last week when I got a front wheel puncture on my Kanguro X on my way to work, 25 miles from home and 10 miles from work. I carry tools,pump and puncture outfit so set to fixing it, it was a struggle but I managed it. So, it is now a top priority to get a stand fitted, looks like the Camel stand will need a bit modification. As long as it can be used in an emergency and does'nt foul the swinging arm I will be happy.
Guess I could join the AA but that would be to easy.

leighton · Post by **leighton** » 13 Mar 2009 07:09

One can't have a centre stand on a cafe racer, people would point! Anyway already member of RAC, and, as mentioned earlier, bike lift is the the biz. Are you close to the shop? Very little down here in the S.E. old or interesting bike shop wise. Unless anyone knows different?

Steve Brown · Post by **Steve Brown** » 15 Mar 2009 21:17

Well, now you've started something! I decided to fix my wobbly stand and weld back all the brackets removed when it was 'cafe racered'. Does anyone race to cafes now?
On mine the spacer tube has rusted into the frame. I think it's probably been stuck about 30 yrs, since I stripped the frame first time I owned it. I didn't notice it then, so now I have a struggle on my hands to get it out. Looks like I may be borrowing the gas axe again soon

leighton · Post by **leighton** » 16 Mar 2009 07:40

Gas axe might be over doing it! Hacksaw blade should do less damage. Sitting up on a bike is just is not for me, seems less connected somehow. It has alot to do with style as well i guess, what looks good often is good though. [img]href=http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu25 ... tis005.jpg[/img]

I'm trying to paste in link to my pics, what am i doing wrong?

3potjohn · Post by **3potjohn** » 16 Mar 2009 07:42

Does anyone race to cafes now

More likely to try post office racing-you'll need a full tank of fuel of course and perhaps a thermos of coffee.

ringer · Post by **ringer** » 16 Mar 2009 10:00

I've finally got my 500 back on the road.

Does anyone race to cafes now

Jack's Hill Cafe, just outside of Towcester on the A5. Sunday late morning/lunchtime. About 100 bikes there this weekend, modern and old. A decent good old British transport cafe too.

Steve, is your Morini roadworthy? Less than an hour from you, a nice journey down the A5. Cafe is on the right 1.5 miles after Fosters Booth, just before the junction A5/A43. You can't miss it - just look out for a large collection of bikes parked out front. Be nice to see other Morinis there.

PM me if you're thinking of going - I won't be there every week but will meet you there if pre-arranged.

morinipete · Post by **morinipete** » 16 Mar 2009 10:31

There are two more very well ridden (I mean ridden a lot

)500s in your neck of the woods. One Rugby (mine) and one Daventry (Alan Jennings). Alan has another 2 Morinis and me 5

!

Anyway we've been trying to get Morinis in the area (there are a few believe it or not) interested in the odd collective show of force over about 15 years with little success !

Perhaps if we could pick a day/event/location we could publish it in ATG and see if there are any takers

PS. I'm out of the country 'till June so it would have to be after that for me.

ringer · Post by **ringer** » 16 Mar 2009 10:49

Pete, thanks for the heads up on local 500s. Rather than hijack this thread any more, I've started a new thread in the Morini Events section.

Steve Brown · Post by **Steve Brown** » 16 Mar 2009 23:19

[quote="leighton"]Gas axe might be over doing it! Hacksaw blade should do less damage. quote]

It's the tube stuck in the frame, too small a dia for any blade I can find that's long enough!. I'm spraying it with plus gas every time I walk past it, then will attack it with heat (scientifically applied of course

) next Thursday.

Steve

Steve Brown · Post by **Steve Brown** » 20 Mar 2009 22:25

Finally got to fix the missing brackets back to the frame and attacked the stand pivot at the same time. The inner spacer tube was rusted solid to the frame cross tube. I got them out but both were ruined in the process.
So now I'm looking for new tubes to fit. They seem to be standard metric sizes (been googling it) 18mm OD with 2mm wall thickness for the outer and 14mm OD with 2mm wall thickness for the inner spacer, anyone have ideas for a good source of seamless tube off-cuts? The suppliers I've seen so far supply it in industrial quantities, and I don't want to go into production just yet.

Steve

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