K2 ignition pickup

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penman
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Location: Milton Keynes, UK
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K2 ignition pickup

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Still struggling with my K2! Is there anyone out there who has fitted a NLM pickup unit to a K2 or other late model bike?

I ordered a pickup mainly in "poke and hope" mode in the absence of any other ideas, I must admit it was more expensive than I expected, the £125 quoted turning into £161 when you add VAT, post and VAT on the post! The next problem is that it doesn't really fit on this bike. Here is a photo of the OEM pickup in place:

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As you can see, there is an additional bearing for the camshaft, which bridges the pickup, and on the end of the camshaft there is a special nut with a square hole in the end, which engages with the tacho cable drive. The next picture shows the NLM pickup with the bearing next to it:

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The bearing won't fit over the pickup, which is much deeper than the original:

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The advice from NLM is to discard the bearing assembly. I'm kind of reluctant to do that because I can't help feeling that the bearing was put there for a reason. Has anyone else been down this path? Or can anyone throw any light on why that bearing was fitted on the later model bikes?

In the meantime, something weird! When I removed the original pickup, I took it over and plonked in on my bench, then went over to the bike to pick up my tray of screws, etc from the pickup. I now found the pickup was sitting on the bench in a pool of water - where did that come from?? To cut a long story short, the plastic sleeving around the two red wires was full of water, some of which had now run out - could that be causing my problem? So, trying not to disturb anything too much, I unsoldered the red wires from the pickup and measured the resistance between them - it read around 1M ohm, though it would double or halve if I even touched the sleeving. I now pulled the wires out, fully expecting them to be damaged or to have perished and cracked insulation, but the wire looks perfect, smooth and flexible. I've now re-assembled it with new wire and sleeving but I haven't had a chance to try it yet. I know the wiring was a bit leaky (electrically leaky I mean, though it seems to be leaky in the plumbing sense as well!), though 1M ohm wouldn't affect its performance - maybe it got worse when warm? Who knows, as soon as I get a chance, I'll try it.
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morini_tom
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Re: K2 ignition pickup

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Well you learn a new thing every day. I've never seen that bearing outboard of the pickup before. My K sport didn't have one, the pre k bikes don't have them, and the post K kokusan ignition bikes don't have them. So we're they only fitted to the K2? I can only assume it was to Keep the pickup trigger concentric, and was then redundant when the pickup was moved to the flywheel.

The kokusan bikes (dart, Excalibur, New York, Cougaro) of course don't have a camshaft mounted pickup, but the tacho drive is still through the 'pickup' cover. On the kokusan bikes there is a small hex extension with the square tacho drive hole which screws into the end of the camshaft. I don't see why you shouldn't have a similar arrangement on the K2.

Sounds like you're getting closer to solving your problem anyway. Good luck!

Tom
vtwinguy
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Re: K2 ignition pickup

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When you get the K2 back together have you thought about getting it Dyno tested on a rolling road? There is a set up near you at Mursley not far from Milton Keynes. When I was there a few years ago (not for testing though!) they were getting a bike ready and apparently they can check exhaust emissions, which might help with carburation, and also see how the ignition system is behaving. It might help to eliminate some issues and maybe focus on the source of your troubles as it is certainly giving you the run around!
penman
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Re: K2 ignition pickup

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vtwinguy wrote:When you get the K2 back together have you thought about getting it Dyno tested on a rolling road? There is a set up near you at Mursley not far from Milton Keynes. When I was there a few years ago (not for testing though!) they were getting a bike ready and apparently they can check exhaust emissions, which might help with carburation, and also see how the ignition system is behaving. It might help to eliminate some issues and maybe focus on the source of your troubles as it is certainly giving you the run around!
Thanks for that, it's a good suggestion, and I know the place you mean, I go there for my MOTs. I was hoping not to need to spend money on things like rolling road testing, this bike's already cost too much! I must say, I'm out of realistic ideas though.

Does anyone know what voltage the magneto winding puts out at cranking speed? I'm getting about 55v - does that sound OK?
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